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13/01/2014 12:20:10
Natalie
Posts 19
We must address the impact the overweight lorries are doing to the listed properties in village, many of which are very close to the road. When you sit in your house and feel it violently shake every time a lorry goes zooming past it's very worrying. I hope this gets addressed at tomorrows meeting. I have noticed the council really cashing in on the extra traffic through Willington St. with extra mobile speed vans as well as the fixed camera. They would make a fortune if they put a mobile van in Leeds!!
13/01/2014 10:18:09
Sammie
Posts 4
John - the mention of fixed barriers was in a parish council document so you should not be too surprised if that triggers speculation about what it might involve!

Declassification would be great if we can pull it off, it should take the road off the “fastest route” option on HGV’s SatNavs and give us more leverage as John implies but it doesn’t make it a private road for us to do with as we please. Even as a ‘C’ road the highway authority (KCC) is unlikely to entertain overly restrictive traffic management measures, a 7.5 tonne limit would already be forcing more traffic onto other routes. KCC is also answerable to the residents of Willington St. (another ‘C’ road) and there are a lot of them. Other displaced traffic would find the nearest alternative route with fewer obstacles – as is the case during the current closure. Anyone from Caring Lane/ Back St. like to comment?

+1 for keeping up the pressure for a by-pass/south circular strategic route etc. Maybe inviting Willington St and its elected representatives to join us. It’s in their interests too.
BTW - does anyone know what prompted the declassification of the “northern leg” of the B2163 (Hollingbourne – A2) some years ago? There might be something we can learn from it.
11/01/2014 10:45:00
John
Posts 30
Its clear there is a lot of misunderstanding and myth about what is proposed and how we got here re... build outs, supposed police dictating highways solutions, what might fixed barriers be etc and what we might be able to really achieve going forward.

May I suggest that everyone Google's what limitations exist today on a "B" road (we are the B2163)and then you can see for yourself what the Govts Highways Agency allows to be done to restrict traffic etc on any B road in the country. Very little!!

I suggest we try and focus on those things we can actually achieve now that make a real difference of reducing overweight HGV's and speeding vehicles soonest, while pressing on with our longer term goals too.
For me that includes looking at de-classification of the B2163 road through Leeds longer term, so we can put in eg fixed barriers etc.

Careful what you wish for though as a by-pass will generate thousands and thousands of new homes on our doorstep that will generate even more cars and it wont stop those cars coming from the Weald of Kent (Headcorn way) or those HGV's wanting to go to the Weald from the M20 (or cars from any new homes) going through our village as a rat run in my own view.
I am personally in favour of a by-pass but i still want more long term than just signs through Upper and Lower street trying to stop those HGVs with their sat nav's who ignore the correct HGV routes. (note they are even ignoring ROAD CLOSED signs today!!)

May I suggest we all attend the Parish meeting this week and we can help clear up those myths and start to look together at what we can do going forward under the "art of the possible".
11/01/2014 10:26:38
Annette
Posts 3
Sammie to explain what a fixed barrier is!!

A fixed barrier is simply

'a barrier that is permanently in the ground that stops wide vehicles from entering the village ' Either steel bollards that come up through the road or bollards that sit on the side . Many roads in London have this type of system which allows cars and small lorries only onto restricted roads

In addition emergency services would be able to remotely move the bollards to ensure they can get into the village
10/01/2014 16:39:18
Steve
Posts 16
I'm sure we'll all get a chance to discuss options or possibilities at some point, but yes, what's wrong with fixed/physical barriers or similar solutions? If we achieved declassification my suggestion would be to limit not just weight, but speed through Leeds. Drivers have always had the choice to observe the law and limits but too many choose not to, so what other option do they leave us? As for the police (who have done absolutely nothing to help with this) there are other routes available to them for the A20/M20.
10/01/2014 14:20:14
Sammie
Posts 4
@Annette - "fixed barriers"??!! really??!!...
It would be a sign as now but with different numbers and probably the same level of effectiveness.

Enforcement is the key but remember the restriction is on vehicle weight - not size.

It's also worth noting that previous attempts to get traffic calming on our bit of the B2163 such as speed humps or cushions largely came to nought as a result of objections from the police on the basis that it would hinder their progress from the Sutton Road to the M20/A20.

As a result we just have the half-hearted, not-quite-built-out-enough build-out.
06/01/2014 20:31:21
Sharon Demery
Posts 7
Following on from Steve's comments re the lorry. This evening a motorbike rode up past the 'footpath closed' signs by Ringers House and into Milners. We were in disbelief! He rode up the bridle path and then struggled to get over the raised bollard section/strip into Milners. He then turned around and tried to go back. However, he became stuck (sorry but we did laugh). After several attempts and with the help of a passing cyclist he managed to get back onto the bridle way path. When we noticed him and the cyclist moving the bollards we approached them to make them aware that those bollards are protecting our temporary gas supply and should not be moved, however, by this time the motorbike was down the pathway attempting a very tight corner. My point is that the signs clearly say footpath closed, why did he attempt to get through, what makes him special??!! We do not know if the pathway is liable to collapse and therefore we certainly do not want heavy motorbikes testing the ground. We have reported this to the police, but unfortunately we were not able to obtain the registration plate details.

I think the way forward in the interim is to report any overweight lorries or stupid motorcyclists to the police, we phoned 101 and obtained a crime reference number 06-1015.

We believe that a special constable is better than nothing, as long as they are able to dish fines etc as suggested in earlier comments.

We all need to work together in unity to get this problem with the overweight lorries sorted.
06/01/2014 20:16:11
Annette
Posts 3
Well said Steve. Declassification is the answer with fixed barriers and a Special Constable gets my vote too.
Lets face it there is not enough money for a by-pass and signs are not enough of a deterrent on their own.
06/01/2014 20:14:18
Steve
Posts 16
Buzz, can you seriously see the police agreeing to give us our very own officer for full time traffic enforcement? If you get them to agree to that (like never), at best they would make a token effort for a few weeks or months and then go back to more important activities.
06/01/2014 20:07:39
Steve
Posts 16
Someone recently told me that they had seen another 40-tonner trying to negotiate its way through the village. I didn't believe them. This morning at 8.15 I got into my car in Forge Lane only to witness some hapless French driver in an articulated lorry gingerly meandering his way around the traffic-signs chicane in Upper Street, on his way to an appointment with reverse-gear misery (not that I felt sorry for him).

How, or why, he managed to drive past the traffic signs at the Castle roundabout is beyond me. 'Language' is not a plausible excuse as all foreign drivers must have some rudimentary command of English for dealing with people during loading / unloading. 'Road Closed' is fairly rudimentary, n'est pas? Maybe we need to find out where these drivers are going to and give the English company at this end some stick instead (as in become a real pain in the neck) - I'm sure that would help get the message across to the regular foreign hauliers.

My real point here is to emphasize what John is aiming to do with declassification of the B2163. Putting up 'signs', whether it be in English, French, Spanish or Martian will NEVER EVER stop idiots driving overweights or imaginary race cars through here. We need physical barriers.

As for a Special Constable, I'm all for it if he/she can dish out fines or points: that's a real deterrent that seems to be disappearing these days.
06/01/2014 20:05:32
Buzz
Posts 11
When I go for an operation in hospital I want it performed by the best paid , best trained professional in the building , not by a gifted amature working for free , and I really don`t think you can single me out for making no progress , that award lies elsewhere .
06/01/2014 18:35:35
Anna
Posts 1
Keep criticising and moaning in your own way inimitable way Buzz, its clearly worked for you so far??!! (I note you hide behind such an anachronistic Nom de Plume)

Try offering an informed argument and loosely based on the real world we live in please. This is too important to just throw stones on a forum.

A Special Constable has FULL Police powers (this is different to a PCSO), did you bother to check that before you wrote your missive?

Anna
06/01/2014 16:14:33
Buzz
Posts 11
What are we doing dumbing down to a special constable ? My God , we have rolled over before we have begun !!!!!! We want a full on policeman , negotiating on anything else is just a way of stalling us to keep us busy , like voting for a red or blue route . It seems nothing changes , we are to be given another ball of wool to play with , and I wait to see which apology for a local negotiator stands up and tells us to be grateful for this insult . The next meeting should be interesting .
06/01/2014 10:43:27
admin
Posts 24
See below....

1. Formal letter and agenda to Director of Highways at KCC from Parish Council for meeting between Parish Council and KCC on 10th Jan (see on latest news page)


2. Agenda 14th Jan Parish Council (See on Latest News page)
a. KCC attending re Upper Street
b. Kent Police attending re volunteer special constable for Leeds
02/01/2014 17:01:39
admin
Posts 24
New today from Katie @ KCC 2 Jan 14:

Unfortunately the void under the footway is now such that it is not possible to allow pedestrians through the site. With this in mind, we are currently arranging for No Pedestrian Access signs to go up at the Langley end of the closure to advise residents of the situation.

Timescales for reopening the footway are currently unclear however this obviously needs to be a priority. Last night a garden wall on the Milners side collapsed and has fallen onto services in the footway. The utilities have all been notified and are coming out to do the necessary safety checks. Once the services have been checked we plan to start excavation work to confirm the extent to which the void has increased. This will give us an indication of timescales for carrying out sufficient remediation to get the footway reopened.
01/01/2014 13:07:05
admin
Posts 24
LATEST PHOTO's of road collapse by Milners & Upper street are now on the Leeds web site village photo gallery... or go to
www.leedskent.org.uk/community/photo_gallery and view under HGV photos.

Now there are further gas main issues due to recent further collapse and mains power cable problems under the footpath at risk too according to contractors spoken to yesterday!! For more info contact KCC.
31/12/2013 10:19:44
John
Posts 30
Don't forget to put in your diary the village meeting: Tuesday 14th Jan @ 7.30pm Village Hall....update re the B2163 and the collapsed road.

NOTE: KCC and Kent Police attending.

Note: There is a meeting with senior KCC Highways Officers and the Parish Council (John Govett on behalf of Leeds Parish) on the 10th January @ KCC offices. If you want to let them know your feelings before that date here are their e-mail addresses: (If you write to them, please copy in John Govett).

John.Burr@kent.gov.uk Director of Highways


tim.read@kent.gov.uk head of transport & highway schemes


Andy.Corcoran@kent.gov.uk Highways / signs


richard.emmett@kent.gov.uk Highways District mgr


Kathryn.Lewis@kent.gov.uk Drainage & Floods


gary.cooke@kent.gov.uk KCC County Councillor (local Member for Leeds)


leedsparishcouncil@gmail.com John Govett (Leeds Parish Councillor)
28/12/2013 23:46:08
Natalie
Posts 19
We had a similar incident whilst collecting some belongings from our property on Boxing Day. It crazy the way some people behave!
28/12/2013 18:47:36
Sharon Demery
Posts 7
This is just to make people aware that my mum was verbally abused yesterday. There was a jogger in Milners who obviously wanted to walk through our neighbours garden to gain access to the south side of the hole (Langley side). When she confronted him and said you cannot use that access he hurled abuse at her which has caused immense distress. We do not know if he was a resident of the village or not, but this is totally out of order.
25/12/2013 11:57:49
Sharon Demery
Posts 7
AS most people are probably aware they have now shut the pathway off (Yesterday) it seems that the bottom of Milners has started to collapse in. Kerb line is coming away from the path. the front wall of the property at the front is starting to move as well. PS Happy Christmas!!!!!
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